Pragmatic Shamanism and Co-Authoring Our Lives with Rachel White — EP75

Candice Wu 0:00

Join me in this podcast with special guest, Rachel White, who’s known by her clients as the Amy Schumer of shamanic practitioners, where we explore the ease of moving energy versus moving the material world, Wu Wei, and aligning to flow, how spirituality is ingrained in life. As well as the question, “How would you do it differently if this life weren’t the beginning and the end?” She shares her experiences in the fourth and fifth dimension and of the multiverse.

Candice Wu 0:31

Hello, and welcome. You’re listening to the Embody Podcast, a show about remembering and embodying your true nature, inner wisdom, embodied healing, and self-love.

Candice Wu 0:44

My name is Candice Wu, and I’m a holistic healing facilitator, intuitive coach, and artist sharing my personal journey of vulnerability, offering meditations and guided healing support, and having co-creative conversations with healers and wellness practitioners from all over the world.

Candice Wu 1:06

Before we jump into the episode with Rachel, I’d like to invite you to a very special workshop that’s happening on June 15, 2019, in Rochester Hills, Michigan. And the workshop is called Being in Beauty. And it’s a systemic and Family Constellation workshop along with Somatic Experiencing and self-forgiveness.

Candice Wu 1:29

And in this workshop, we’ll connect with “What is beauty to you? Is it a deep sense of freedom and peace? Is it loving yourself and feeling like you are exactly who you are? Is it feeling intimacy and openness with loved ones or abundance and money in your life, in your career? Is it a sense of belonging or living the life you love, grace, flow, and harmony or feeling healthy and good in your own skin?”

Candice Wu 1:59

Whatever your sense of beauty is, in this workshop, we’ll illuminate any hidden, unconscious dynamics that can be a challenge on your journey. What I found is that when we’re tangled up with previous soul, or ancestral dynamics, or our personal historical traumas or overwhelming experiences, part of ourselves is still working that out and our bodies take on this form and become the language of what’s happening at a deeper level.

Candice Wu 2:34

We end up with disease, with emotional imbalances with pain or tension. And those are not the obstacle to ourselves, but the way. The obstacle is the way, towards who we are, and what our soul wants us to know and learn. So that we can give deep honoring and recognition to who we are.

Candice Wu 3:01

And so the process of Family or Systemic Constellations, and tuning into what the body showing us allows us to acknowledge what is and what is underneath all of those physical pains, those challenges with our bosses or the fighting that we might experience within us or in other relationships. And what unfolds is an organic healing and resolution of what was living itself through you and in your life, and frees you from that so you can be yourself in the ease that you are, in the loving that you are, and the beauty that you desire in your life.

Candice Wu 3:43

So if you want more information about this, you can find it at CandiceWu.com/bebeauty. And again, that’s on Saturday, June 15th, in Rochester Hills, Michigan. And I would love for you to join even if you’re from out of town or if you’re local. Feel free to connect with me if you’d like to know more or have any questions.

Candice Wu 4:07

So it’s really great to have Rachel White on the show. I learned about her through Gina Fitzpatrick at One Key Yoga, where she does some shamanic journeying and other workshops with spirit animals and Shadow Work. She specializes in demystifying the mystical and arming her clients with practical insights for the real world. She really takes what is spiritual and out there in you know, not our common understanding and brings it to life in our common understanding.

Candice Wu 4:37

But you’ll find in this episode, where she talks about all sorts of things that just are not on my daily radar, which I love and Rachel’s Chicago-based practice Totem.

Candice Wu 4:49

In this practice, she empowers her clients to take the reigns of their spiritual lives with tailored pragmatic shamanic support and informed insights. And she has more than 10 years of experience as a trained shaman, medium, and meditation coach, and is performed readings and consultations for more than 1,000 clients with lots and lots of group-guided meditation workshops.

Candice Wu 5:12

So this is a really fun and opening podcast. And I just encourage you to take it and see what lands with you and what inspires you even if it doesn’t make sense to your mind, which is what I love to do when I’m hearing about different parts of the universe and different ideas, how it energetically lands to me.

Candice Wu 5:31

And be sure to check out the Tarot reading at the very end where she gives me a two-part reading and one card for the audience, which is a really lovely message here.

Candice Wu 5:43

She also will share a shamanic journeying practice. So tune in for that later this week, as well as on her episode link at CandiceWu.com/rachelwhite. R, A, C, H, E, L and White, Rachel White. So without further ado, here is Rachel.

Candice Wu 6:05

Welcome, Rachel!

Rachel White 6:07

Thank you for having me, Candice! And thank you for your patience as I solve the modern challenges of technology. So –

Candice Wu 6:15

Right. That’s one of the things about recording from across distance, but thanks for jumping on. I wanted to just give a bit of an introduction of you. I love how your clients described you as the Amy Schumer of shamanic practitioners that just seems to fit so well. And I just feel all sorts of like, Alchemy energy around you. There’s something really juicy and magical about what you’re doing. And with your Chicago-based practice Totem, and the Tarot cards that you just recently created.

Rachel White 6:50

Wow!

Candice Wu 6:51

So – yeah,

Rachel White 6:52

Thank you! I think you know, you’re an alchemist as well, I think anytime Carl Jung, said, I’m sure am butchering this quote, but something like when two people come into contact with each other, and they have an experience that’s Alchemy, you know –

Candice Wu 7:10

Yes.

Rachel White 7:10

And the whole interplay between us on the material plane, but then also on the spiritual plane is really the marketplace of where this is at. It’s the intersection point. I love crossroads. I love –

Candice Wu 7:23

the marketplace.

Rachel White 7:24

Yeah, I love all of that.

Candice Wu 7:26

Yeah.

Rachel White 7:26

Working in Chicago, a place where I live and have always lived. You know, it’s a city and a lot of my friends that are practitioners, they, you know, understandably, trust me. I get it. I wish I was there they go and they live out in isolation, or they work at retreats, or they manage retreats and things that take them out to nature and far away from all of this.

Rachel White 7:49

And, you know, maybe that’ll be my gig one day, but being here in a city, it’s a big marketplace of spirit, of energy, of people.

Rachel White 8:00

So the fun part of Totem is meeting people that are curious spiritually, but they’re maybe not as committal as a monotheistic or even polytheistic traditional religion, would be able to satisfy them. And so they kind of come to me, and they’re professionals, for the most part, lawyers, doctors, business owners, designers, like, they’re people. And for me, that’s a lot of fun is to be at that crossroads with them and kind of help broker their meeting with, you know, their own spirit guides, to their own soul parts. It’s very exciting.

Candice Wu 8:36

That’s really exciting. So how do you support people in connecting with their soul guides or their spirit guides?

Rachel White 8:43

Well, it’s funny, I think the biggest work people do, and I know other – I’ve listened to some of the other podcasts. There seems to be a theme, even with like Yoga instructors, anyone who’s facilitating this kind of work, is them even just the act of them coming in, to meet and to do this opens up their energy, and it shifts their energy to even say, “Yeah, I’m going to spend X amount of money to get a Tarot card reading, it’s somewhat ridiculous if you look at it, on its face, right, or through a more pessimistic kind of point of view.

Rachel White 9:17

But they do it because they’re curious. And so there’s something there that activates, and then they come in. I think the biggest part of Taro in particular that I really love is – I call it a software.

Rachel White 9:32

It’s a tool that has an interface, right? The images, the numbers, and it’s a bit of a diagnostic, it tells us what’s going on, gives us a bit of a snapshot. And then that information is really useful to them. And even just the energy of them sitting there and me sitting there and that kind of opening up, people will become emotional, and they don’t understand why I apologize, and they’re crying. And they’re like, it’s nothing to do with what you’re saying. I don’t know, it’s because you’re tapping in, you’re checking in with yourself, it’s probably been a while like it has very little to do with me.

Candice Wu 10:05

Yeah.

Candice Wu 10:06

And that goes back to the Alchemy of –

Rachel White 10:08

it does.

Candice Wu 10:09

with them, and then leaning into their curiosity and just, that’s so powerful just to even be reminded of that, how, when we just want something or when we’re open to it, it’s already opening up –

Rachel White 10:23

Yes.

Candice Wu 10:23

already.

Rachel White 10:24

Yeah. And also Tarot is, you know, in, I think in the hands of an adult practitioner, someone who’s responsible and ethical. It’s very affirming. You know, we believe in fate to some degree, but there’s also a lot of free will. And so it’s a snapshot, you get to decide if you want to participate in that. Do you want to maybe accelerate these positive things and maybe mitigate the negative? And maybe that will change the snapshot six months to a year from now versus something that’s fatalistic or scary. Or, you know, all the old conjures, if you will, the old images of like a fortune teller. Right?

Candice Wu 11:03

Right.

Rachel White 11:05

That’s not its highest use at all.

Candice Wu 11:07

The fear images.

Rachel White 11:08

Yes.

Candice Wu 11:10

Yeah. So you’re bringing it to this level of awareness, you’re supporting someone in bringing it to a level of awareness in a clear way that they can really apply to their lives and make choice.

Rachel White 11:22

Yeah, it should be, you know, really spiritual and kind of profound. But it doesn’t mean that that’s mutually exclusive with pragmatism or usefulness, it should be useful.

Rachel White 11:33

And I think for a long time, spirituality, especially in like the card reading or energy practitioner, a lot of these modalities, spirituality was seen as it should be separate from and divorced from the material world, in things like, money or a job, those are low vibration, you know, and they are, but we’re here for a reason. So I like the idea of the interplay or the marketplace, like all of these things have value. And as Shakespeare said, “Nothing is good nor bad, but thinking makes it so.”

Rachel White 12:03

Right? So –

Candice Wu 12:05

Exactly.

Rachel White 12:05

Yeah.

Candice Wu 12:06

We’re here to experience it, we have this body to experience, our spiritual self. So why would we deny it?

Rachel White 12:13

Absolutely, yeah. And so, I don’t need to talk to someone 100% of the time about something on the Astral plane, you know? If that comes up, and that seems dominant, that’s great. But if it’s about their, you know, narcissistic bosses, gaslighting them, corporate job that matters too because there’s an energy component to that it’s a real ecosystem.

Rachel White 12:36

Sometimes, we’ll have a shamanic journey, like a guided meditation session. And someone who’s never experienced anything supernatural, anything spiritual. That’s how they would describe themselves, right? Coming into it, we’ll meet some kind of a D-Day and talk about it. And I’ll be able to say, “Oh, yeah, that’s such and such. And this is what that means. And did this pop-up?” And it blows their mind. They’ve had a bit of an adventure in a 30-minute meditation, in a Yoga space in the city of Chicago, they went somewhere different, right?

Candice Wu 13:10

That’s so exciting.

Rachel White 13:12

It’s awesome!

Candice Wu 13:12

you can help them navigate that.

Rachel White 13:15

Yeah, well, this stuff is fun. You know, I think it’s funny to people when they find out because I have a job in corporate America. And they’ll say, “How do you manage these two very different things?” I’ll say that is very little that’s different about them. And if I had to, if I had to label one is being more real than the other, you know, Totem. And my spiritual consultancy is real. Because when you move energy, the other things change. If you try to move the material at the expense of energy, very little changes, and you find yourself stuck in a loop.

Candice Wu 13:49

It’s so much harder,

Rachel White 13:51

so much harder.

Candice Wu 13:52

And I think that’s where we’ve come up with the idea that we have to work really hard to achieve something.

Rachel White 13:56

Yes!

Candice Wu 13:57

Because we’re kind of stuck in the material, that earthly concreteness, where if we’re moving the energy, it can come so easy. So that –

Rachel White 14:06

Well, there’s –

Candice Wu 14:06

you’re doing that.

Rachel White 14:07

We’re a very unbalanced society in America, particular things; it’s either everything’s material and everything’s secular at the expense of anything. You know, if I can’t see it, touch it, now I’d understand it doesn’t exist. Or the, you know, I think sometimes the quote energy community has done a disservice by saying, “Well, if you do any of those things, or if you eat meat, or if you drink alcohol, or if you like money, you’re not spiritual.” And –

Rachel White 14:33

Yeah, it’s a lot of extremes. I blame the Puritans really, you know. They started that whole thing.

Candice Wu 14:42

Well, we were so all or nothing, you know?

Rachel White 14:44

Totally!

Candice Wu 14:45

The way that –

Rachel White 14:46

Yeah.

Candice Wu 14:46

It’s just, it’s like the disease. Well, I think it’s just going back to our development –

Rachel White 14:52

Yup.

Candice Wu 14:52

in humans, you know?

Rachel White 14:54

Absolutely!

Candice Wu 14:54

seeing it as like a toddler sees, good and bad.

Rachel White 14:57

Yes. It’s funny, you bring that up? Are you familiar with Doreen Virtue?

Candice Wu 15:02

Yeah.

Rachel White 15:03

So are you aware of her recent evolution, spiritually?

Candice Wu 15:08

No. What is that?

Rachel White 15:09

Okay, so Doreen Virtue is very famous for being an incredible creator of books and Tarot decks and Oracle decks. And she was probably one of the most, what’s the term, just productive authors and creators of New Age materials. Her stuff always had this sort of angelic fairy, you know, really cute, really pretty vibe to it. And she was very into like, flower medicine and all of that. She’s recently I think, in the last year or so she, I think she described it as she had an experience with something negative. And she has gone the opposite direction were everything she was doing before, she now says is evil. Even looking at the stars and praying to them, and that, you know, Jesus Christ is the one and only way. And it’s a real pivot. To put it gently.

Candice Wu 15:58

Wait, now she’s saying this is the only way? –

Rachel White 16:02

Absolutely!

Candice Wu 16:02

She had with evil?

Rachel White 16:04

It was evil. And so –

Candice Wu 16:05

I don’t understand?

Rachel White 16:07

Well, so, my friends always knew this about me, because I always had an issue with her cute stuff. And I owned it.

Candice Wu 16:13

Yeah.

Rachel White 16:14

I had several of the decks, they’re really pretty, I’ve had a few of her books, have read them, I took what I liked from it, I left the rest. But I always found her idea that there was nothing negative or nothing challenging or nothing lower vibration, you know, there’s no shadow to it, as I hear it, and I, she denied it. And I always say to people, that’s not really how that works. And it does exist, and you don’t have to be fearful of it. But you know, there’s some complex Yin Yang in the universe, right?

Rachel White 16:41

So she has this brush up with something that might be described as negative it could have been, and she swung in the other direction. It’s like a very fearful response. And it’s a total 180. And my friends saw that this was happening and emailed me. And I was like, it’s unsurprising, she didn’t build it from the basement to the attic.

Rachel White 17:02

I have a lot of respect for her I think what she did was great. But when it’s not built on a foundation that integrates, what we were just talking about, it’s very one dimensional, it’s not a strong structure, you know, and you only want to see the light at the expense of acknowledging darkness, then, you know, when you come into contact with something that could be described as dark or negative for shadow, you know, that’s a bit of a personal Apocalypse, if you will, like that’s a challenge to your thinking in a way where the structure just can’t hold. So –

Candice Wu 17:35

Yeah, exactly like it shakes your entire idea of what was what is?

Rachel White 17:42

It does. So yeah, one of the big things that we try to do when we have workshops, or even just one on one when I’m meeting with clients is if something comes up and they talk about it, just not assigning it good or bad, necessarily as a value, and getting away from some of that and looking at it as information, but also being really big about boundaries, energetic and otherwise. Because if you know, let’s say someone is an energy vampire, right, in the office, you’re allowed to have boundaries, you’re allowed to take care of yourself, but you don’t have to be scared. And you don’t have to worry.

Rachel White 18:15

Yeah, so that was kind of an interesting thing that came up in our community in the last year or so. And –

Candice Wu 18:23

That’s interesting. And, you know, I want to just apply that sort of like not right and wrong here too. Because whatever her journey is, I don’t really know her that well, but I do know, like her previous stuff that you’re talking about. –

Rachel White 18:35

Yeah.

Candice Wu 18:36

To decks, as well. And whatever her journey is, she’s swinging to the other side, maybe to get a feel for it or whatever. And it’s, I think it’s hard to see when you’re in it, so deep. You know, she just –

Rachel White 18:51

Well, you can tell she’s sincere.

Candice Wu 18:53

Yeah.

Rachel White 18:54

And she means it, and she feels a real obligation to inform and that I think, comes from a really sincere place. And it’s funny, my friend, Roger, he’s an energy practitioner. He’s a Chi Gong practitioner and all of the above. He said, well, you know, to her credit, like she’s really owning where she’s at. And she’s being really transparent about her process that I’d absolutely agree with that as well. I just, I think you know, what Totem offers people is a space that’s we’re agnostic, truly. Like, if you want to come in and you want to talk about X, Y, or Z we can. And –

Candice Wu 19:31

Yeah.

Rachel White 19:32

Just because I think there’s not a lot of space for someone who’s curious, but non-committal, and who doesn’t want to be judged.

Rachel White 19:39

I remember teaching meditation at a studio in the West Loop. And they were mortified that I talked about how I was going to leave and go drink some Japanese whiskey. And I’m like, that’s just we can’t believe that. Number one, you do that, you desecrate your temple that way or that you’d say that around people but you. You teach. And I was like, “Well, I think Japanese whiskey is good for me and for my soul. So that said –

Candice Wu 20:03

Do you like it?

Rachel White 20:04

I do.

Candice Wu 20:06

That free choice. Well –

Rachel White 20:08

Yeah.

Candice Wu 20:08

So this leads me to the question, “How do you describe spirituality?”

Rachel White 20:13

Um, I really think that we’re all very spiritual. I view it as a science that just hasn’t developed yet. I think we’re going to get a lot more answers about our spiritual selves as individuals and as a whole. Do you know? I’m a big fan of the whole debate with Elon Musk, and everybody talking about whether or not this is a simulation. You know, if you look at –

Candice Wu 20:37

Yeah.

Rachel White 20:38

Yeah. If you look at Westworld, or, you know, the OA or some of these popular shows, there’s this premise that a lot of what we’re saying is, you know, who knows that this is the only reality or what is reality? And that creates a whole new opening for spirituality as a more evolved science, perhaps, or science that we’ve lost some knowledge of, at some point.

Rachel White 21:04

Yeah. And the OA when they do this movement with their body to jump dimensions, I don’t know if you’ve seen it, but –

Candice Wu 21:11

No.

Rachel White 21:12

It’s like Reiki and Tai Chi had a baby. And they do these five movements, and they can jump from one dimension to another, and I’m watching and I’m like, does anyone are also aware of the fact that, that’s exactly what they’re doing? Like, these are things that we do that we think are sort of silly, or people might look down on them as being very crunchy or granola and, you know, what if we could start teleporting? Right?

Candice Wu 21:35

Right.

Rachel White 21:36

So that’s the way I viewed spirituality is, it’s ingrained in everything. I think every day is spiritual. I think everything and every person has energy. And it’s at once both more simplistic, and like, basic, and at the same time, incredibly advanced. So it gets, it’s almost impossible to explain it somewhere in the middle. It’s clouds and dirt. Right?

Candice Wu 21:59

Well, it’s so almost office and I think when you say it’s ingrained in everything, what is ingrained in everything? Like what is it?

Rachel White 22:08

Yeah.

Candice Wu 22:10

Exactly right? But your Shamanism –

Rachel White 22:13

Yeah, Shamanism permits the individual experience of the Divine. So for as many human beings as there are, there is a universe and an experience of spirituality or the divine. And they’re not mutually exclusive. So shamanism has always been a fan of the multiverse.

Rachel White 22:31

So for me, spirituality is frankly, you know, being a shaman, it’s a little more literal, honestly, when I quote journey, I see things in my mind’s eye. I have conversations, a lot of times it takes the shape or role of an animal, for instance. For other people, it’s feeling things kinetically or it’s, you know, praying or going to church.

Rachel White 22:55

I mean, all of those things matter. But I think you can have a spiritual practice just in the mundane as well, like, I made a flower arrangement yesterday because I’m having a photoshoot tomorrow. To me, there’s a spiritual quality of making a flower arrangement that felt like a ritual, you know, I didn’t have any specific.

Candice Wu 23:13

Yeah.

Rachel White 23:15

So I like that about Shamanism that everybody can come in with different things and everybody can leave with different things. And it doesn’t matter how it works. It just matters that it works.

Candice Wu 23:26

Yeah, I love that. It’s like the experience that we’re taking away or that we’re going to have.

Rachel White 23:31

Yeah.

Candice Wu 23:33

So say what about the multiverse?

Rachel White 23:36

Well, yeah.

Candice Wu 23:39

Like, now we’re going to dive into dimensions.

Rachel White 23:42

I love it. So I am, it’s very funny, I was watching Westworld after I had an experience. So not this past year, the year before. So 2017, Thanksgiving, I had a spontaneous experience, you know, perhaps I’ve noted what caused it might be just a release of the naturally occurring TMT in the body. But I was in a fourth or fifth-dimensional perspective. And it happened really spontaneously. I was in Florida –

Candice Wu 24:14

Wait. How did you know you are in the fourth or fifth dimension perspective?

Rachel White 24:20

I was having suddenly a conversation with God that was not verbal. So to call it a conversation is really, you know, simplest, I’m oversimplifying. And it was like God, like with a capital G. And it was agonizing. And I was sharing my own life. Oh, yeah. It’s human should not do this regularly. It was a hall of fame.

Rachel White 24:43

And he showed me how absolutely wasteful I was being in my life and how inconsequential and unimportant the things where there’s spending my time on. Now, Totem had already existed. I had already been a shaman. I hadn’t done it for about a year or so. And it was the way I was shown it almost made my life look like a 2d board game or something where you’re not moving. Oh, yeah –

Candice Wu 25:10

You’re not moving.

Rachel White 25:11

Compressed everything. Yeah. And it’s just, I saw I came out of this, whatever it was, a seizure, who knows? I mean, it was hilarious when it happened. I’m sitting on the floor of a bathroom on vacation in Florida going, “Oh, my God, like I have a tumor or something. Like I just had a stroke.”

Candice Wu 25:28

Oh, my God!

Rachel White 25:29

go to the hospital, we’re gonna find it like this is when I get the diagnosis, right? And I was like, none of that probably even happen. I’m probably asleep somewhere in a hospital bed and something happened. And I’m going to figure it out. Or, you know, and I had that whole thing. And I’m sitting there and sitting there. And then I heard like, my text message ring on my phone. And I was like, “Oh, no. Okay, I’m here.”

Candice Wu 25:49

Yeah.

Rachel White 25:51

Yeah, I couldn’t shake it. And my vibration got really high after this for about four or five months and you know, lost weight and was very Rust Cohle, HBO, True Detective, kind of like saying things about the multiverse, and I’m brain theory.

Rachel White 26:07

I’m sure I was a blast to be around. It’s super fun for everybody. But that experience, like really drove home like, “Oh, yeah, well, that’s certainly a different perspective.” And my human life, like my sentience here in this dimension, felt very insignificant. And that was a little bit of a game changer for me.

Rachel White 26:31

I started Totem back out of curiosity, mainly, like I wanted to have contact with clients, I wanted to figure out why I was given that perspective for that millisecond.

Rachel White 26:43

Since then, I’ve had dreams about traveling dimensions and bending dimensions and what that means and was watching Westworld and realized, like, “Oh, God, like all these shows on TV or about this now.” The idea that they’re many worlds, and –

Candice Wu 27:01

Yeah.

Rachel White 27:01

they’ve been created, they have the same narratives or characters or yeah, it’s very weird.

Candice Wu 27:09

Like magicians?

Rachel White 27:11

Like magicians –

Candice Wu 27:12

Have you seen it?

Rachel White 27:13

No, I haven’t. But I have to tell you, Netflix continues to recommend it assertively to me.

Candice Wu 27:19

Yeah.

Rachel White 27:20

It is something I need to watch?

Candice Wu 27:21

It’s really fun right, but it’s bringing –

Rachel White 27:24

That would be next.

Candice Wu 27:25

The dimensions and time travel is part of that. But yeah, –

Rachel White 27:31

Have you had any of those experiences like what they might refer to as the Mandela effect or something where you remember something, “wrong?” So in other words, you have a very specific memory, but other people remember it differently?

Candice Wu 27:45

I can’t say. Well, I can’t say that I’ve had that experience where it’s been adamantly wrong. Like, where –

Rachel White 27:53

Yeah.

Candice Wu 27:53

I felt like, I’m adamant that this is happening. And they’re adamant that it’s happened another way where it couldn’t be left up to just human error?

Rachel White 28:02

Right.

Candice Wu 28:02

I feel like, maybe I’ve just had one, I don’t know, human experiences like that. I don’t feel like I’ve had, I don’t know, bending dimension experiments, experiences or what you’re talking about. I’ve certainly come in contact with my deepest being, my inner being or whatever part of me is my spirit and soul. But I really don’t even know how to comprehend exactly like this fourth, fifth dimension experience.

Rachel White 28:31

Yeah, well, it’s fairly incomprehensible and like I said: not recommended, it was unpleasant. Shamanic journeying is much more pleasant, much more controlled, and relaxing. And you know, you get to talk to like a squirrel or a bird. And that’s always really nice, but –

Candice Wu 28:51

Sounds very pleasant right?

Rachel White 28:54

Yeah. Stephen Hawking, the last paper he worked on, last study, before he died, which was published after his death was about the multiverse. And that infinite universes exist. And in fact, all of the rules of physics don’t exist, really, that they do, but they’re not hard and fast. And he put a lot of detail around it. So there’s a lot of scientific and creative minds converging on this concept, which I find really fascinating. Yeah.

Candice Wu 29:27

Yeah. So when you contextualize this back into our daily lives –

Rachel White 29:32

Yes.

Candice Wu 29:33

What does that bring you?

Rachel White 29:35

Well, there are a few things, one of them and I could be wrong, you know? We’re still at the beginning stages of like collecting, kind of anecdotal information about this stuff. But I’ve had a lot of dreams this year about friends of mine who are practitioners in a dimension that’s a lot easier than this one, where there are a lot happier, and they don’t have the challenges that they have in this reality. And there’s a lot of specifics around it, and I’ll talk to them about it.

Rachel White 30:05

And a good friend of mine, he’s an energy worker, he said, “Well, I’ve read these works of this one gentleman, he said that the dimension where our consciousness is rooted right now as the hardest, lowest vibration one.” And we come here, to really kind of like slog it out, you know, like charcoal under pressure becoming a diamond or something more precious or stronger, whatever that might be. I think there’s some truth to that.

Rachel White 30:32

So a lot of our challenges here in daily life. Number one, we may have helped design them, we may have thought we needed to go through that, you know, Caroline Myss in Sacred Contracts, talks about a lot of that. That, we’re the co-authors of our lives. So accountability, responsibility, acceptance, non-attachment, those are things that are important.

Candice Wu 30:55

And I see that. Yeah, like I see that on a larger scale of our entire life.

Rachel White 31:01

Yeah.

Candice Wu 31:02

We’ve designed this in a more general, from before we came kind of experience. But then we’re also co-authoring and co-creating right in the moment, along with that past, previous intention.

Rachel White 31:16

Absolutely. And a lot of it is about empowering and taking control. And it’s also about putting things in perspective. So if there’s this great big multiverse, and we’re here to learn, or we’re here for whatever reasons we’re here for, maybe it’s the, you know, Reptilian Elite, have put us here to, you know, do work for them.

Rachel White 31:36

I have friends who believe that. That’s the thing that’s out there. Google it. Go on Twitter.

Candice Wu 31:41

What is it? The Reptilian what?

Rachel White 31:42

The Reptilian race that runs the world. The David Icke stuff? Are you not? Yeah –

Candice Wu 31:48

No.

Rachel White 31:48

We all – Sorry.

Candice Wu 31:52

I think it’s fascinating, but I don’t know, there’s so much to take in about their sets out there.

Rachel White 31:58

I consume all of it. I’m a big content consumer.

Candice Wu 32:01

Great. So you can give us the two cents here. Yeah.

Rachel White 32:06

Yeah. Like, regardless of any of that, I think what the multiverse does for us spiritually here in a Shamanic practice is it tells us that this isn’t it.

Rachel White 32:17

So how would you do things differently? If this life wasn’t the beginning and the end? Or what would you want to do differently? For me, you know, I would be a lot less attached to things like getting a kind of car that I want, or, you know, a home at the end of a cul de sac, in a suburb that I take a train to and from every day to go to a job that’s stable, second pay mortgage, you know, all those things, which by the way, never really appealed to me, for obvious reasons.

Rachel White 32:47

But you know, is that really how you want to spend your time in this dimension? It’s a way of putting things in a new perspective, a broader one. And also, when things don’t go well, here, let’s say your job’s really hard, you got a new boss, that doesn’t respect you. You know, maybe this is your opportunity to get out of that. Why is that seen as a thing that’s happening to you? That’s negative. You know, why are you assuming a victim stance in that? Maybe you need to be moving on to bigger and better things, right?

Candice Wu 33:22

Yeah.

Rachel White 33:23

Yeah.

Candice Wu 33:24

It’s to bring in the possibility and open the imagination to design your life.

Rachel White 33:30

Yes. And there’s a big vein and all of this around a concept called Wu Wei. I don’t know if you’ve heard that before.

Candice Wu 33:39

Yes, I have.

Rachel White 33:40

Yeah, it’s the –

Candice Wu 33:41

My last name is Wu. So it’s like, what is that?

Rachel White 33:45

Well, and there’s been this amazing conflicts with this. I just naturally kind of, like have a lot of that jam in me for some reason, I’ll be like, “Nope, I’m going to go meditate instead of fixed the emergency.” And it ends up working itself out.

Candice Wu 33:59

Yeah. We talk more about Wu Wei here for people who are listening?

Rachel White 34:02

Of course, yeah. It’s a non-activity, but appropriately so that you’re within the flow in the universe. So you’re not trying to control or manipulate, you’re simply doing. It’s a very Dao concept.

Rachel White 34:22

And the idea is that you’re in these invisible rivers that carry you, when you’re in Wu Wei, Serendipity and Confluence, just move you along with momentum.

Candice Wu 34:34

I love how you’re describing this.

Rachel White 34:36

Well, thank you. I have a lot of friends who know a lot about it. So my friend, Roger, started a consultancy called Find Your Wu Wei. I realized when he started that, my friend and his Feng Shui consultant had taught me that word. And I told her about it, the week or so that I told her about it, she reached out to this woman who has a Wu Wei school of Reiki in the Berkeley area and is trying to organize getting together for tea with someone and they said, “What about the Wu Wei temple?” Like tea room? All of this happened within like a day or two of each other? So even the words Wu Wei have Wu Wei? It was? It was bizarre.

Candice Wu 35:20

It lives within.

Rachel White 35:21

It does. She’s lived in that area her whole life. She never heard of any of that before that exact moment. So yeah, it’s the idea that you know, there are these currents, and you can get into the current and you look for signposts almost in a very Alice in Wonderland kind of way. And if you participate spiritually, but you practice non-attachment, while you’re participating, you can get into a current and really get taken somewhere wonderful. And not have to fight, not have to work so hard.

Candice Wu 35:53

You know all this conversation is reminding me of the book by James Redfield of the Celestine Prophecy.

Rachel White 36:00

It’s amazing. Yup.

Candice Wu 36:02

Right. I love it. It’s like such a classic. It’s pretty old now. But getting into the invisible rivers, the currents, he talks about finding your alignment of your true energy. And then what you were saying about some friends that are in another dimension, in reality, at the end of the book, he talks about that, you know, if you’re listening and you haven’t read this book, it’s sort of an adventure story, like, The Da Vinci Code-ish in a way, but it’s giving these insights that you can apply to real life. And at the end, I think, tell me if I’m remembering this incorrectly, Rachel, but there’s this experience of transcending to another consciousness, where the ones that are in a different consciousness don’t see you even, you don’t see each other.

Rachel White 36:53

Yes.

Candice Wu 36:53

But you are existing –

Rachel White 36:54

Yeah.

Candice Wu 36:55

somewhere plane –

Rachel White 36:56

Plane.

Candice Wu 36:57

Yeah.

Rachel White 36:57

Yeah. Almost like getting ruptured.

Candice Wu 37:00

Yes. Right.

Rachel White 37:02

Yeah. And, you know, there are all kinds of theories around that stuff. And it’s just endlessly fascinating to me. And, you know, my friends who call me if they haven’t heard from me for a few days, and one of them said, “I just want to make sure that you didn’t slip into another dimension. Because if it happens to anybody, it’s going to happen to you.”

Candice Wu 37:23

Oh my gosh, has it happened to one of your friends? Like, do you –

Rachel White 37:27

No. Everybody’s here that I know of.

Rachel White 37:30

Yeah, but I had the weirdest experience. And it’s such a bizarre example.

Rachel White 37:35

So I have a large German Shepherd. I brought him back from Germany. It’s a long story. It was definitely a Shamanic adventure, right? I have a black dog, –

Rachel White 37:56

So it’s a very specific memory of walking him and there was a Catholic charity and they had this soup kitchen line was out and someone was being arrested and it agitated my dog, side across the street and go to the doctor, I was late to the doctor to call them, all this stuff, right.

Candice Wu 38:06

Yeah.

Rachel White 38:10

So they called in a prescription for me that day. I talked to a couple of people along the walk on the way there and on the way home and then at the pharmacy filling a prescription and then came home. A couple of months later I get sick with the thing. You know, being a shotgun that means wounded healer, we get sick a lot, guys, by the way. And even though I know it’s energetic, I take the antibiotics just in case. So I go into my medicine cabinet to get out the medicine that I know I have because I had that unusual day. It’s not there.

Rachel White 38:38

Call the pharmacy they have no record of it. Like this is bizarre. I must have been like in a fugue state or I’m confusing it, right? Call the doctor’s office, no record of my visit that day. And I’m thinking oh my god, this is because I’m sick. I must have a fever. I’m like not remembering things right.

Rachel White 38:54

So I mentioned it to my boyfriend. He goes, “No, I remember that day. You called me.” And then I called one of my other friends. And when I talked to a different friend that I spoke with in the pharmacy getting the prescription, she goes, “Yeah, no, it was on this day. I remember because we had this emergency at work.” And this is, and it all lines up with my memory. But –

Candice Wu 39:12

Yeah.

Rachel White 39:12

This material plane had no record of it anywhere. So that was my weird little moment, where I was like, “Uh-oh.”

Candice Wu 39:22

Is this the Mandela moment that you were talking about?

Rachel White 39:24

It is. Yes, of a distinct memory. But other people I’d spoken to have that exact memory of the event that I have. It’s the outside world, outside of our little circle has no record of it.

Candice Wu 39:24

Oh, that is so interesting.

Rachel White 39:40

Yep. All for bladder infection.

Candice Wu 39:43

Okay.

Rachel White 39:43

So it wasn’t the sexiest moment. Yeah.

Candice Wu 39:49

So with all this Wu Wei, this experience of being carried to where you need to be and all the synchronicities happening to catalyze that and be supporting that, what’s going on in your life right now? Do you –

Rachel White 40:05

Well, it’s –

Candice Wu 40:05

have that an experience of that right now?

Rachel White 40:08

Yes. I mean, basically, every day, there are days that are slower, a little lower vibration than others. And those times can kick up a bit. I would say it’s kicked up lately, and I’ve had, you know, a lot of dreams. And I try and keep a dream journal because I get, in my opinion, a lot of information for my subconscious. So if there’s something in a dream that I can go do in real life.

Rachel White 40:33

So for instance, if I have a dream about the Lincoln Park Zoo, and it feels like a big dream, like a Shamanic dream, I will try to go to the zoo. And I don’t know why. I don’t know what’s there. I don’t know how that works out. It may have nothing to do with it. But the act of me leaving the house, for instance, triggers a series of events.

Rachel White 40:51

So trying to listen to intuition, not at the expense of logic, like never putting myself in harm or anything like that. But listening to intuition and really going with it.

Rachel White 41:02

You know, it’s really funny on Thanksgiving, I was at a friend’s Yoga studio, and they were having a little Thanksgiving celebration. And someone came up to me and said, “So what are you going to be up to like, what’s the next year for you?” And I said, “Well, I think I’m gonna meet, like my person.” And they were like, “Oh, are you dating?” I said, “No, I just think so.”

Candice Wu 41:19

Yeah.

Rachel White 41:20

And I heard myself say it at the same time everybody else did. Like it was news to me too. And, you know, within a week or so I had met someone that I’m now still dating, who’s very different. And so even the act of hearing myself say that, and I wasn’t attached to that, there wasn’t a story I had to tell myself. It just happened spontaneously. So I said, “Oh, maybe I should do that.” And I did it.

Candice Wu 41:45

I love it. Well, yeah, just saying, like, listen to what comes out of your mouth. Because it’s being created. It’s emerging into awareness. And then –

Rachel White 41:54

Yeah.

Candice Wu 41:55

Here it is.

Rachel White 41:56

We’re all mediums. You know, all of us feel the energy, we all channel something, right? Listening to that more often than not, and not questioning it, not trying to apply the rational mind to it all the time, you’ll start to see exponential dividends on that behavior, on participating and going okay. Well, let’s see. Let’s see what that adventure has.

Rachel White 42:19

I would also say that there’s a lot going on right now, for me, and I don’t know if you’ve experienced this, but almost all of my friends that are energy workers, and myself included are at this really critical point where it’s, “Do we take the plunge? Do we do the spiritual stuff and we give up the day job? Or do we give up the space where we do these things? And we do it more in a mobile way?” Or, there’s just, it seems everyone I know, is at that place of in the next month or so making that decision. And I think that there’s some Wu Wei to that as well because we all want to do this full time. But that requires that we practice some degree of release.

Candice Wu 43:00

Yeah.

Rachel White 43:01

Right. And that’s very scary to the rational mind.

Candice Wu 43:03

Absolutely.

Candice Wu 43:05

Yeah. I’m not going through that specific form of it right now. Because this is my full time. And –

Rachel White 43:12

Yeah.

Candice Wu 43:13

I did do that couple of years back. And it’s a big leap. And at the same time, right now, actually, like, couple weeks ago, I had this experience in a Satsang, you know, like a spiritual service, where I just had something in me, asked myself, “Are you really in this, Candice? Are you really going to surrender? Are you really taking your spiritual path?”

Candice Wu 43:40

And I felt called to drop, some of, I can’t even name what I was dropping, but letting go of some ways of the ordinary world and just embracing that, whatever things we’re going to guide me to, I was going to follow. And that wouldn’t be a gamble, a “normal kind of path,” and that my life already didn’t look normal. But here, I’m taking the next level. And whatever that looks like, –

Rachel White 44:13

It’s a harder path. You know, I had a dream where my very good friend answers the phone, a landline in the kitchen. And her mother’s in the other room, and she’s talking to someone and they go, “Do you think that Rachel is a candidate for the Enhanced Consciousness package?” And she said, “Oh, absolutely!” Like I had listed her as a reference for an Enhanced Consciousness package. And she walked them through some of the ways, you know, that I was qualified for it.

Rachel White 44:39

And her mother came in after she was off the phone and said, “Oh, what was that all about?” And she explained it to her like, “Oh, they were just checking to see if, you know, I thought Rachel would be a good candidate for Enhanced Consciousness.” She goes, “Oh, I want that.” And answers, “No. It’s not for you.” And she’s like, “It’s really hard.” Or she said something like, “It’s the least easy way to live,” kind of a thing.

Rachel White 45:00

And yeah, it’s not easy at all. And no one ever said it was going to be but every day, “regular,” mundane life, like we joke, like muggle life. It’s also not easy. And the perception that that’s safer, is a perception. It’s perpetuated, you know, with a lot of effort and investment, by the way, it’s a coordinated ad campaign that you should, “do the normal thing and the responsible thing,” and that’s how life works.

Rachel White 45:29

I can tell you working in corporate America, that the concept that you work really hard, so they’re going to take care of it that doesn’t exist, there’s no job security –

Candice Wu 45:37

No stability with that.

Rachel White 45:39

No stability. And it’s not any more secure than anything else that by the way, you might be enjoying, that might not drain you or make you unhappy, that, you know, why can’t you find something that connects you to that innermost part of yourself, as you put it, that also pays your bills?

Rachel White 46:00

Those things should be possible. And I think, for a lot of people I know. They are all about to make that big leap. I’m about to get the Indiegogo campaign up for the Tarot deck. I’ve been held back. I think just by fear, you know, it’s not conscious fear. But there’s a reason it’s been so slow. It’s got to be fear. And a few other things. And, you know, in my own way, I’m stepping out almost like it’s like coming out of the closet a little bit, right?

Candice Wu 46:31

Oh, yeah,

Rachel White 46:31

Doing it.

Candice Wu 46:32

I totally know what you mean.

Rachel White 46:34

Yes.

Rachel White 46:35

I figure everybody a work thing, some of which, anyway, you know? What’s the harm at this point?

Candice Wu 46:39

Yeah.

Rachel White 46:40

Yeah.

Candice Wu 46:43

Well, do you know, are you –

Rachel White 46:44

Cat outside of the bag?

Candice Wu 46:45

Right, like, are you aware of what the fear is?

Rachel White 46:50

A bit? Yeah. Which is that, you know, it’s going to get harder and weirder. You know, in my life has been really hard, really weird. And I think a part of me just kind of like, is tired. It just wants to, like, hang out and, you know, as a spiritual path, you’re constantly challenged. And you constantly grow. It’s that Enhanced Consciousness package, right? It’s not for everybody. And it can be quite unpleasant at times. But yeah, I think that was part of it. And also just, I think the fear of judgment even though I’m not a person who’s overly concerned with what others think, there is something there of, “Can I ever get a normal job again, after this if I needed to? If I did this? Well, that – you know, what

Rachel White 47:31

What does it look like on a resume?

Candice Wu 47:33

That’s what you thought, because like you probably won’t. The question that I have is would you even want to go back?

Rachel White 47:33

No. Of course, not. Yeah, I, there’s a pattern that emerged this year with my day job that I went through last year and it’s comically similar, and see it was down to the day, you know, the exact same day, the exact same full moon in March, the whole thing. And I went to Yoga, and I was sitting in Shavasana, my brain, go, “You know what, I can’t do this again this year.” And then I crapped on myself, my inner self said, “No, you will not do this again, this year. You will not.”

Candice Wu 48:08

Yeah, that’s clear.

Rachel White 48:09

So yeah, it’s interesting. And spirituality is way less crazy than corporate America. It’s way less crazy than the medical industry. I mean, if you look at things that we all think of as the bedrocks of our society, they’re completely nuts. And you know, who wants to be sane and high-functioning in a world that’s insane? Really? That way? I don’t, not necessarily.

Candice Wu 48:33

Well, so for all the people, you know, for people out there that are listening to this, that are in that industry, or are connected with that industry, what if they’re like, “Rachel, how are we insane?” Like, what, this is real.

Rachel White 48:51

Yeah, no. Well, Peter Thiel put it best because insanity in individuals is common. But insanity and groups of people is the rule. He wrote Zero to One. And he was one of the founders of PayPal, and he’s a venture capitalist in Silicon Valley.

Rachel White 49:09

So what he meant by that was not that the individuals are the issue or that Science is the issue, or the Economics or Economic Models are the issue, is that when we get together in large groups, companies, etc., there’s very little common sense a lot of the times like, if you look at the medical industry, it’s not the practitioners that are insane. It’s the fact that the profit motive is forcing doctors to get crazy limits of liability on their insurance. And, you know, the whole financial model of it is, it’s a challenge for us in this country, in a way like “We’re smart. We should fix that.” You know?

Candice Wu 49:43

Yeah, I think that’s really key here. Like the individual smartness.

Candice Wu 49:48

It gets, it swirls into this mass-energy that loses a lot.

Rachel White 49:48

Yeah.

Rachel White 49:56

It buckles under the weight of its own size, in a lot of cases. So when I talk industries, I mean, like the whole industry is, you know, and the movie, The Big Short, and the Real Estate crash. So I’m in commercial real estate, the crash that happened in LA, everybody said, “Well, it’s impossible, it’s not going to happen. You know, real estate always appreciates and never depreciates, there will never be a housing bubble. Everybody pays the mortgage.”

Rachel White 50:19

These were things that were as true as like, you know, the Earth is round and the sky is blue. And it didn’t happen. And a few people like there were a lot of individuals who were really smart and said, “Wait a minute, this is a problem. Look at this, but the monstrous size of it. It couldn’t, it’s like turning a battleship around in a bathtub.”

Rachel White 50:38

So, there’s a lot of things that aren’t the most rational in what we consider to be the rational world. And I think it’s interesting when you look at Shamanism, you look at energy work. Or, any of these modalities of spirituality. There’s plenty of that makes sense. If you actually take it in instead of resisting the new data now.

Candice Wu 50:59

Definitely. Our mind can want to try to filter it through, the mind stuff that doesn’t always, it can’t take it all in. It’s beyond that. But I want to go back to Shamanism. So you’ve talked about shamanic journeying, and spirit animals, and Shadow Work, and Tarot cards, and that spiritual work that you do with people. Is that your main work as a shaman, or are there other ways or modalities that you use within that realm?

Rachel White 51:30

Well, it’s constantly evolving, which is one of the things I really love about it, because I love learning, and I love being educated and being trained. So recently, and after many years of resistance, I got, you know, Reiki attuned. The reason I was resistant is because of the, I call it the Doreen Virtue effect, which is for a long time, when I first got into Shamanism, every Reiki practitioner I met, was sort of, I don’t know how to word it. It just was it seemed, it seemed a little nuts, you know, and that’s my own stuff, too. But they seemed like really rigid or really, whatever. You know, just it was kind of a funny thing to me. And I have friends, I’ve had Reiki for 10 years, I’ve received it. I paid for it. I believe in it. I love it.

Candice Wu 52:18

Oh, that’s funny. You were having that at the same time.

Rachel White 52:20

Oh, totally like the guy who pays the hooker for sex. But you know,

Candice Wu 52:24

Right. There was something that was driving you and resisting you all at once.

Rachel White 52:28

Absolutely! So I went and got attuned in it. And so I do Reiki but what I’m finding doing it and I’ve been doing mainly like practice sessions with clients who are kind enough to let me do that is my Reiki is not really Reiki.

Rachel White 52:45

It’s the Shamanic Reiki and it’s high amounts of data. So data visualization of the energy body, getting a lot of information and doing things that are not pure Reiki at all. So that has been an incredible learning experience for me, and I’m thinking of finding a way to codify or, you know, for wanting a better term, find something to call what I’m doing, over time. I think it’s important to figure out what it is first, you know, I try to be responsible that way. I don’t want to brand something before it’s defined.

Candice Wu 53:19

Right. But what you’re saying data visualization of the energy body, what does that mean?

Rachel White 53:25

So someone’s laying on the table, and you’re checking in, you’re doing Reiki, you’re doing a scan of the body. And the other day, I had a client and her feet were the roots of a tree. And I saw the roots moving down. And you know, my hands are doing things, but I’m not consciously that aware of what they’re doing. But it was, you know, on her ankles and her feet, and then I look up and her head and her whole, higher auras of chakras are like the branches of a weeping willow tree.

Rachel White 53:51

I was like, this is very interesting. You know, and so I’ll share that with her after the session. And I’ll say things like, “You know, it might even be worthwhile to go to Whole Foods and get a Bach remedy, flower essences of Willow.

Rachel White 54:04

Sometimes it’s literal. And, you know, I treated almost like mediumship where I don’t edit. It’s not for me to decide what’s important for her or not. It all comes out, all that information gets shared as crazy as it sounds. So yeah, I’m doing a lot more of that it’s a lot more of an integrated thing. And in that same session, a hardihood pathway came up for her, and so that’s mediumship. So if they all tend, they’re kind of –

Candice Wu 54:32

It’s woven in it.

Rachel White 54:33

Growing together.

Candice Wu 54:34

Yeah.

Rachel White 54:34

Yes.

Candice Wu 54:34

You can’t –

Rachel White 54:35

Yes.

Candice Wu 54:36

Being who you are sounds like you can’t separate those things. That’s what I found in myself, at least, like all these different parts of me come in, even when I’m working in one “modality,” that I have made.

Rachel White 54:50

Right.

Candice Wu 54:51

It’s not that at all, it’s the confluence of experience that comes into one moment.

Rachel White 54:59

Yeah. That you just were very articulate. That’s it. I would also say, with the Tarot deck, getting that off the ground and getting that out in the hands of people. That’s me, I’m really passionate about empowering people to access their own spirituality.

Candice Wu 55:14

Beautiful. Yeah.

Rachel White 55:15

Yeah. In some energies or things that have been, I think, neglected or overlooked in more traditional decks, or Fairy decks or Angel decks, and I talked to angels, I love angels. I’ve got a great hilarious relationship with a few of them, by the way. So I’m not dismissive of them. But they get press coverage, right?

Rachel White 55:36

There are other energies that are maybe, “more Shamanic” that I tried to incorporate into the deck because I think they’re useful for people. I think it’s sort of like, when we look at Paganism, or these beings, or spirits of place, they were focused on specific things.

Rachel White 55:56

There’s a power to specificity. Right? You know? I personally believe in an overarching like Cosmic consciousness, like a God with a capital “G”. I do. But I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive. And I don’t think to access that all the time helps you do some of the little things maybe, you know?

Candice Wu 56:16

And I’m not sure that he’s sweating it.

Rachel White 56:18

I don’t think he’s worried that you’re hanging out with a Pagan deity once in a while. I just – in my personal experience, I don’t think that they get all up about that. They seem to be fine with each other.

Candice Wu 56:30

Yeah, they are in harmony, or they’re –

Rachel White 56:33

Yeah.

Candice Wu 56:34

At least at the purest forms.

Rachel White 56:36

Oh hilariously, the show, American Gods came out, which was based on the Neil Gaiman novel, which, he’s great. It’s great. It’s hilarious. And a lot of those characters in that story are things that are in the Tarot deck. And I just think that that’s hilarious.

Candice Wu 56:52

How funny!

Rachel White 56:53

I’m wondering if they’re making a concerted effort like they got a new agent or something, and that’s why I’m featuring them. You know, Odin is my homeboy. So I was very happy to see him in American Gods.

Candice Wu 57:07

Oh, that’s great.

Rachel White 57:09

Yeah.

Candice Wu 57:10

Do you have your deck right now?

Rachel White 57:12

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Candice Wu 57:14

Do you still want to pull some cards?

Rachel White 57:16

Yes. Let’s do it.

Candice Wu 57:17

What shall we do? For me or for the audience? What feels right?

Rachel White 57:21

Let’s do it for you. And then I’ll pull one for the audience. Because that’s always a nice thing, right? To do.

Candice Wu 57:29

Yeah.

Rachel White 57:31

So it’s very funny. I’m not very structured about tarot cards. Everybody has a thing, they get very, you know, we all have our own language with these guys. I’m not that rigid. So I don’t have a lot of ticks and things like that. So I’ll just shuffle them up and pull a few out.

Candice Wu 57:48

Okay.

Rachel White 57:49

And a big shout out, by the way to the designer. Emma, is one of my longest clients, one of my first clients, and that’s how she and I met and became friends. And she’s just a very talented designer and artist. So she worked on this.

Candice Wu 58:02

Beautiful.

Rachel White 58:02

Yeah.

Candice Wu 58:03

What’s her last name?

Rachel White 58:04

Cook.

Candice Wu 58:05

Cook.

Rachel White 58:05

Yeah. And it was really hard on her body. It’s funny, she’d be working on a card that has a certain connotation with a certain chakra, she’d have a medical issue there. So it felt terrible the whole time. She should really get hazard pay.

Candice Wu 58:06

Yeah, right. Shout out to Emma. Thank you.

Rachel White 58:22

All right. So two cards for you. Oh! I got the chills about one of them. The two of Moons. We did Moons instead of Cups, because Cups are about the emotions and love, and so are the moons, right?

Rachel White 58:38

The idea that Moons control water, control emotion and feeling. The two of Moons is a convergence of two souls. It’s like a soulmate-loving relationship. A deepening of bonds. Yeah, like really kind of like falling in love and letting that happen. And the beauty of all of that,

Candice Wu 59:00

That just happened. That’s happening.

Rachel White 59:03

Congratulations!

Candice Wu 59:04

Like in a big way.

Rachel White 59:06

So this card is about their being perfect symmetry and balance. So you’re not the same person. But your word Alchemy, comes into play here where there is no real effort, because it’s a good fit. So you can be madly in love with someone that can be, you know, a disaster in terms of balance or your ability to live well together, support each other, either emotionally or in resources. But this card is all about like you meet your person and they help you grow and you help them grow. And you’re different, but you’re intensely compatible. And there’s usually a soulmate connection, as well.

Candice Wu 59:46

Oh, I feel that everything you’re saying is exactly right.

Rachel White 59:50

It’s so pretty. I’ll send you photos.

Candice Wu 59:51

Oh, please.

Rachel White 59:52

So you can have them.

Candice Wu 59:54

We’ll put up on the website too, if that’s okay?

Rachel White 59:56

Absolutely!

Candice Wu 59:57

For the show.

Rachel White 59:58

Yeah.

Candice Wu 59:59

Awesome.

Rachel White 1:00:00

The other card you got is one of my favorites. It’s the eight of Crystals. We did Crystals instead of Coins.

Rachel White 1:00:06

Coins indicate material wealth or things in the material plane. And I love Crystals.

Candice Wu 1:00:13

Yeah

Rachel White 1:00:14

So the eight of crystals is all about working in a way where you’re not getting overwhelmed by the enormity of the task, and you’re just in the doing of it. So you do one thing every day that moves you further ahead. And when you look back on it, you kind of built this incredible body of work.

Rachel White 1:00:31

So the eight of Crystals indicates a time of high efficiency and productivity and really mastering a craft by doing versus studying or hearing someone else tell you about it. But being in the doing of it, which for me is the big part of the Wu Wei. You got to get out of the house, you got to go do too, you got to participate if you want to play the game.

Candice Wu 1:00:53

Yeah.

Rachel White 1:00:54

So really positive.

Candice Wu 1:00:57

I love that. That’s always been my kind of jam like doing versus studying. Even though I have studied plenty in my life, but I really am such a kinesthetic learner. I’m like, in my body, I have to learn it in my bones. I feel that’s where the mastery comes from, the experience. And that’s a really nice reminder, just like one little thing and the ease of that.

Rachel White 1:01:23

Yeah. And it just always be working towards it productively. And it seems, you know, when this card shows up, I would say to you, or any other client that you have a gift for managing your time well.

Rachel White 1:01:34

And by managing your time outs, I mean managing where your attention goes? What are you attending to? What do you give your time and energy to? You do the right things with that. You’re not spending time on a lot of things that aren’t producing results for you and then aren’t productive and aren’t moving you forward.

Candice Wu 1:01:50

Nice.

Rachel White 1:01:52

For the audience. It’s the three of Crystals. And this is a great card. This is a card of, it’s funny, like interdimensional connectedness and the intersection points. So everything kind of coming together. Everything working really well. There, being a lot of moving parts that fit perfectly.

Rachel White 1:02:16

So it’s a card of achievement, of really, you know, good news of success, financial success, gifts, but of the gifts and financial resources that come from relationships. The threes have a lot to do with Triangles. And in the suit of Crystals, it’s very positive.

Rachel White 1:02:37

So through Triangulation of relationships or introductions or networking, or you know, even what you do on your podcast, you’re putting people in touch with each other. And they’re growing and expanding

Candice Wu 1:02:49

Love that.

Rachel White 1:02:49

As a contrast, the three of Swords is is a negative Triangulation of relationships that tends to indicate, you know, cheating in a relationship or lying, or if you’ve ever known someone who has to Triangulate something, in order to be in it. Like they have to involve their mother all the time. And you’re like, “Why can’t it just be us?” Or whatever that is.

Rachel White 1:03:14

The third sword piercing the other two. So that’s not a good Triangle. This one is. It’s a happy Triangle.

Candice Wu 1:03:22

That’s awesome. Do you hear that everyone?

Candice Wu 1:03:25

You are receiving this, just blessing here. I love that. Thank you.

Rachel White 1:03:31

So are we, so it’s the audience. It’s you. It’s me. It’s –

Candice Wu 1:03:35

All of us.

Rachel White 1:03:36

Yes.

Candice Wu 1:03:37

The synchronicity of all of it and the interconnectedness feels like of everyone who’s tuning into the energy here, the Alchemy of what we’re creating and what gets created. Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for listening. And for you for sharing this. And I love this deck already. I love that you’re doing Crystals and Moons. And so do you have Swords as well? And what’s the other?

Rachel White 1:04:00

We did Bones for Swords? And we did Trees for Wands. So we went a little more elemental with things. Yes.

Candice Wu 1:04:11

Oh, that feels so good.

Rachel White 1:04:14

Thank you. Yeah, it’s fun. And thank you. And thank everyone who’s listening just for this. I think, you know, every time we have open conversations, and we share about these things, we all benefit from them. And, you know, Candice, you’ve got this amazing platform where you’re able to do that for people, myself included. I’ve learned a lot listening to others on your podcast. So thank you.

Candice Wu 1:04:38

Beautiful. Thank you.

Candice Wu 1:04:40

This has been wonderful, Rachel. Is there anything else you want to share?

Rachel White 1:04:44

No, just that if you’re curious, and you’ve never used a Tarot deck before, you know, don’t be shy, go on Amazon and get a basic Rider-Waite or keep a dream journal. I think you know, the more that you listen to yourself and your own intuition, you can really take charge of your own spiritual practice. So I’m all about empowering people to do that on their own as much as possible.

Candice Wu 1:05:10

That’s a great message. Thank you. It’s dream work especially. I think there’s so much there if you’re interested in tapping into that encourage that too. And –

Rachel White 1:05:19

Yes.

Candice Wu 1:05:20

Yeah, I’m excited, Rachel, you’re going to offer a Shamanic journey experience for everyone. Is that right?

Rachel White 1:05:26

Absolutely.

Candice Wu 1:05:28

Yes. I’m so excited. So tune in later this week, you’ll be guided through this lovely Shamanic journeying with Rachel. And check out the Totem Tarot deck when it comes out. We’ll definitely put the links up when it comes out. Thank you so much, Rachel.

Rachel White 1:05:44

Thank you.

Candice Wu 1:05:45

Such a pleasure.

Rachel White 1:05:46

Absolutely. Thank you so much.

Rachel White 1:05:48

Where can people find you? People can find me on the interweb. So totemreadings.com. Or you can just shoot me an email, totemrach@gmail.com.

Candice Wu 1:06:05

You’re awesome. Thank you.

Rachel White 1:06:07

You’re awesome.

Candice Wu 1:06:07

Thank you!

Candice Wu 1:06:08

It was so great to have Rachel on the show. After we did this podcast, we just had a little private chat about all the things we wanted to talk about in the future. Like how to talk to your body and tell your genetics what you want it to do, how your body and you work together.

Candice Wu 1:06:29

And also about past lives about being a shaman, at least me being a shaman and how that plays into this life and her being really surprised at hearing about her past lives.

Candice Wu 1:06:40

And also, we talked a little bit about our cycles and how that has really changed the energy has really changed in the universe right now and has caused a lot of women’s cycles to switch to either Full Moon or New Moon, the opposite moon or a really big shift.

Candice Wu 1:06:59

So I’m excited to have her back on the show sometime and look out for her Tarot deck, the Totem Tarot deck, which offers the different Suits, the Moons, the Crystals, Trees, and Bones. I love that. And you’ll see that in the show notes as soon as it comes out. If you don’t see it there, it just may not be out yet. But, you think by the time that you’re listening to this, that it will be out there in the world for you to order if you want to.

Candice Wu 1:07:28

Thanks so much for listening and want to leave you with a little bit of music to just let you transition into your day. And I’ll see you next time on the Embody Podcast.

Introduction

Candice Wu 0:00

You’re tuning into a special experience of Shamanic Journeying with Rachel White of Totem.

Hello, and welcome. You’re listening to the Embody Podcast, a show about remembering and embodying your true nature, inner wisdom, embodied healing, and self-love.

My name is Candice Wu, and I’m a holistic healing facilitator, intuitive coach, and artist, sharing my personal journey of vulnerability, offering meditations and guided healing support, and having co-creative conversations with healers and wellness practitioners from all over the world.

Rachel’s Podcast

I hope that you enjoyed the full episode of my conversation with Rachel. If you haven’t already, check that out. It’s at CandiceWu.com/rachelwhite, and her name is spelled RACHEL White. You can also find it at CandiceWu.com/ep75.

In that episode, we had a lot of fun talking about shamanism, about the individual experience of the Divine, invisible rivers of flow and non-attachment, and the multiverse and Mandela effect. She also offered a spiritual tarot reading at the end of the experience for the audience and for myself.

So, it’s wonderful to have you here today. Feel free to find a comfortable place to lie down if you’re ready to join in the shamanic journey. And as you lie down, allow yourself to release the thoughts and awareness of the day. Just come into your body, feeling the weight of gravity pulling down on all the parts of your body towards the ground. And as you tune into this journey experience, I invite you to be curious and allow yourself to be surprised at what might reveal itself or what you experience. Here’s Rachel.

Shamanic Journey with Rachel

Rachel White 2:18

We begin our journey at a clearing in the woods.

This clearing is perfectly circular, and nothing grows within its circumference.

Walk around this clearing in the woods, taking as many details about it as you can, what grows on the outside of it.

As you’re walking around, try to take note of an opening. This could be a hollowed-out tree trunk, a cave or even just a pathway, taking as many details about this opening as you can.

What does it feel like?

What is it made out of?

What other elements and items or landmarks are around it?

The more details you take in about your opening, the easier it will be to access in the future.

Enter

Once you’ve taken in as many details as you can, enter your opening. This will take you to your passageway.

When you emerge on the other side, that is where your journey begins.

The next time you hear my voice, it will be to call you back to this passageway and to re-emerge on the other side in the clearing in the woods.

[Drumming and Silent Journeying]

Transition

Wherever you are, whatever you’re doing, it’s a good time to start saying thank you.

Wrap up any conversations you’re having and start to slowly head back to your passageway.

You have more time than you think. So, take your time, and the next time you hear my voice it will be to call you back to your passageway and back out to the clearing in the woods.

It’s time to start heading back, entering your passageway and working your way back to the clearing in the woods.

Closing

When the drumming music stops, it’s time to come back to your body, and slowly sit up feeling refreshed.

End

Candice Wu 12:06

I hope that you enjoyed this experience with Rachel. As I said earlier, you can tune into our full podcast at CandiceWu.com/ep75 or CandiceWu.com/rachelwhite.

It’s great to have you here today, and if you are interested in other healing experientials, meditations or guided experiences, you can check out those from my podcast guests as well as from me in solo episodes at CandiceWu.com/podcast.

See you next time on the Embody Podcast.